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October 03, 2008
From Larry Zeitlin, on the Willard Horizon
boatname = Puffin
makemodel = Willard Horizon
hulllength = 30'
waterlinelength = 27.5'
beammaximum = 10.5'
waterlinebeam = 10'
keel = 3.5' full length keel
bodydraught = 2'
displacement = 15,000 lb. cruising load (half load)
ballast = 4000 lb.
sailarea = 280 sq. ft.
mastheight = 32'
stix = NA
hp = 36 hp @ 3000 rpm
experience = 65+
use = Coastal long passages, moderate ocean cruising
comments = The Willard Horizon is a very strongly constructed pilothouse motorsailer loosely based on a Colin Archer hull design. It has a high bow, canoe stern and a modest cutter rigged sail plan. It has a very easily driven modified sailing hull with a .48 prismatic coefficient. Long cruises are best accomplished under sail and motor operating together. When motorsailing the fuel consumption is less than .5 US gallon per hour giving a range of over 1000 NM with on board tankage. The low fuel consumption and simple mechanicals make the boat ideal for long passages to relatively unpopulated areas such as Alaska's Inland Passage.
The hull was in production, virtually unchanged, from 1973 to 1997 and was adapted for cruising sailboats, motorsailers, recreational trawlers, and fishing boats by changing the top molding and mechanical components. The Willard line was often called the "Pocket Battleship" of small trawlers.
The Willard Horizon is self righting to 122 degrees. I can partially verify this since the boat and I survived a 90 degree knockdown during a microburst.
Numbers for the WILLARD HORIZON, as per my calculator.
Guillermo.
Length/Beam Ratio
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(2Lwl + Lh)/3B =
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2,30
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Lwl/Bwl Ratio
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Lwl/Bwl =
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2,90
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Length/Draught Ratio
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Lh/T =
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10,60
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Beam/Draught Ratio
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Bmax/T =
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4,32
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WL beam/Body draught
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Bwl/Tc =
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3,32
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Ballast/Disp Ratio
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W/Disp =
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0,27
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Displacement/Length Ratio
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D/L =
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274,48
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Sail Area/Disp. Ratio
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SA/D =
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7,36
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Sail Area/Wetted surface
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SA/WS =
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1,03
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(estimated)
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SA (metric)/ Power (Imp.)
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SA/HP =
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0,72
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Power/ Disp. Ratio
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HP/D =
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2,40
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HP/ton
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Hull speed
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HSPD =
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7,22
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Kn
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Potential Maximum Speed
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PMS =
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5,97
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Kn
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Velocity Ratio
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VR =
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0,83
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Best motoring speed (1.1)
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CSPD =
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5,92
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Kn
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Capsize Safety Factor
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CSF =
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2,11
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Motion Comfort Ratio
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MCR =
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25,18
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Heft Ratio
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HF =
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0,86
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Roll Period
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T =
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2,98
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Sec
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Roll Acceleration
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Acc =
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0,12
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G's
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Stability Index
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SI =
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0,98
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Angle of Vanishing Stability
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AVS =
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112
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º
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Estimated STIX:
For 112º AVS = 28
For 122º AVS = 33
August 15, 2008
Here some aditional contributions:
By J. Conlon on a wooden motorsailer:
Hull Length: 44' to 48' OAL wood hull
Use: Coastal
Comments: One of the prettiest and I believe most able motorsailors I have seen was a vessel by the name of SUNQUEST. She was summer berthed at Wickford Shipyard, 125 Steamboat Ave, North Kingstown, RI 02852 (401-294-3361) for many years from the middle 1950's through the mid 1960's.
As I recall she was a design of a well known naval archtecht of that era. (I cannot recall who however.)
This vessel was home based in Benton Harbor, Michigan, but summered in Rhode Island. The boat also sailed all through the Caribiean and up and down the east coast of the US. If you can locate photos and other data, this vessel is a modern classic. I wish I had more information for you, bur this may be a start.
By Dan Chapman, on the Fairey Fisherman:
Hull Length: 27' 5"
Waterline Length: 25'
Beam (Maximum): 8' 9"
Keel Draught: 2' 3" Yes it is very shallow draft
Displacement: 5500# half way twixt light & loaded
Ballast: 1000#
Sail Area: 260 total main & jib
Engines HP: Perkins 108 40 HP (Very old boat @60'-70's
Comments: English boat capable of heavy weather and can take the ground at low tide. Coastal use with a SA/D of 13
June 5, 2008
From friend Pierre Houin, a regular contributor.
hi guillermo
you can have a look at this one
Guy Gallard's Ocean Cruiser 53.6
i join you a doc about a trawler catamaran sail assisted
see you
The document Pierre refers to is a pdf on the Bamba 50, a very nice sail assisted trawler catamaran from Joubert/Nivelt.
Link to such document:
Bamba 50
May 31, 2008
Friend Troy Parrot, in the USA, told me about the RAWSON 30
She was designed by William Garden, originally as an open cockpit sailing boat, but later a pilothouse (not wheelhouse) was added.
Here some numbers for her:
Lh =
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9,29
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m
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30,48
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Ft
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Lwl =
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6,70
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m
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21,98
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Ft
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Bmax =
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2,74
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m
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8,99
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Ft
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Bwl =
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2,47
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m
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8,10
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Ft
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Draught T =
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1,52
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m
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4,99
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Ft
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Body draught Tc =
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0,82
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m
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2,69
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Ft
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Moulded depth H =
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2,20
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m
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7,22
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Ft
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Disp =
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5439
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kg
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12000,61
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lbs
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Ballast =
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2266
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kg
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4999,70
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lbs
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Sail area =
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38,1
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m2
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410,10
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Ft2
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Mast height =
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12,58
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m
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41,27
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Ft
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Heeling Arm =
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5,64
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m
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18,50
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Ft
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Power =
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22,5
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KW
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30,6
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HP
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Length/Beam Ratio
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(2Lwl + Lh)/3B =
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2,76
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Lwl/Bwl Ratio
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Lwl/Bwl =
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2,71
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Ballast/Disp Ratio
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W/Disp =
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0,42
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Displacement/Length Ratio
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D/L =
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504,40
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Sail Area/Disp. Ratio
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SA/D =
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12,52
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Power/ Disp. Ratio
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HP/D =
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2,55
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HP/ton
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Hull speed
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HSPD =
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6,28
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Kn
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Velocity Ratio
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VR =
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0,99
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Capsize Safety Factor
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CSF =
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1,57
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Motion Comfort Ratio
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MCR =
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40,27
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Roll Period
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T =
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3,87
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Sec
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Roll Acceleration
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Acc =
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0,04
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G's
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Stability Index
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SI =
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1,57
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Angle of Vanishing Stability
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AVS =
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155
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º
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Very nice figures, indicating a cruising sailboat with blue water abilities, safe and with a comfortable behaviour. Although somewhat sail-underpowered by today's standards (SA/D ratio only 12.52), that will make life easier for the crew when wind freshens up.
May 31, 2008
Hi again Guilermo,
Having now spent far too much time just scratching the surface of your excellent website I notice the very recent post from Eammon McGratton regarding his mystery ship. Whilst I'm pretty sure that this vessel is not a Pugh, Eammon may be interested to research such vessels designed by John Pugh in Australia. Many of his vessels were steel and owner/builder construction. Some of his fore and aft cabin motor sailers were very pretty and similar to the mystery boat pictured.
Best regards
Steve Campbell
Perth, Western Australia
Note from Guillermo: I have not been able to find a web site or other contact means for John Pugh. Anybody knows?
May 30, 2008
From Steve Campbell, in Australia
(He first sent a set of pictures on "Nocturne", an SCUFFY 27)
Guilermo hi again,
Not sure what I can add more but I have a rough spec sheet and some written promotional text from the manufacturer. Please let me know if there is anything more specific that you would like. This vessel is moored in Kettering, Tasmania which is about an hour south of Hobart although it originated in Sydney, New South Wales.
Dual controls obviously and this one theoretically a bit overpowered with a Sole SM636 at 36-40hp (Mercedes OM636) most were apparently fitted with around 15-20hp alternatives and still reach hull speed. This one is good for uphill legs.
Apparently there are several more in Tasmania and presumably the East coast of Australia as well. I haven't come across any others as yet.
Best regards
Steve Campbell
Here some numbers for Nocturne:
Lh =
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8,23
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m
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27,00
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Ft
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Lwl =
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7,01
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m
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23,00
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Ft
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Bmax =
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3,12
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m
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10,24
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Ft
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Bwl =
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2,81
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m
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9,22
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Ft
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Draught T =
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0,99
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m
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3,25
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Ft
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Body draught Tc =
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0,56
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m
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1,84
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Ft
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Moulded depth H =
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1,70
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m
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5,58
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Ft
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Disp =
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3172
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kg
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6998,70
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lbs
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Ballast =
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906
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kg
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1999,00
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lbs
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Sail area =
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26,01
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m2
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279,97
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Ft2
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Mast height =
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10,7
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m
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35,10
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Ft
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Heeling Arm =
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4,68
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m
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15,34
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Ft
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Power =
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26,47
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KW
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36,00
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HP
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Length/Beam Ratio
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(2Lwl + Lh)/3B =
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2,38
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Lwl/Bwl Ratio
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Lwl/Bwl =
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2,49
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Ballast/Disp Ratio
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W/Disp =
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0,29
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Displacement/Length Ratio
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D/L =
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256,84
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Sail Area/Disp. Ratio
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SA/D =
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12,24
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SA (metric)/ Power (Imp.)
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SA/HP =
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0,72
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Power/ Disp. Ratio
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HP/D =
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5,14
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HP/ton
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Hull speed
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HSPD =
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6,43
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Kn
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Velocity Ratio
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VR =
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1,00
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Capsize Safety Factor
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CSF =
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2,14
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Motion Comfort Ratio
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MCR =
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20,02
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Roll Period
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T =
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1,95
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Sec
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Roll Acceleration
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Acc =
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0,20
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G's
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Stability Index
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SI =
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0,69
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Angle of Vanishing Stability
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AVS =
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119
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º
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May 28, 2008
From Eamon McGrattan:
Could you help me identify the type and designer of this boat ?
I saw her in Tunis, Tunisia in October 07. There was a ( retired ? ) couple aboard but I didnt get to talk to them.
She appeared to be made of steel. I consider her a motorsailor due to the high bow and the pilot house.
I am now 42 years old, and before 50, hope to have a similar boat. Retire at 55-ish and live-aboard / cruise.
Due to future energy /enviromental concerns, sailing ability is important but I want the option to drop the mast and travel through the French canals to the Med and so need motor.
Ive looked at Bruce Roberts PCF but feel it would not have any sailing ability in light winds.
Regards,
Eamon
(If anybody can help, please write Eamon at: Eamon<at>mcgk<dot>ie)
May 10, 2008
From the Claymore Motorsailers Owners Group:
We'd be very pleased if you would add our Claymore Motorsailers web to
your group:
Olivebank
I've gladly done that. I think it's also interesting to reproduce here this info from their site:
"The Claymore Motorsailer class vessel was originally built at J.Samuel White's shipyard in Cowes, UK, founded in 1881. White's shipyard customarily built very large vessels. Some great pictures of the shipyard are posted on this website: http://www.invectis.co.uk/iow/gg_is.htm. Claymore's Designer was Alan F. Hill. Claymores were built from the period approx. 1970-1980. Builder: Marine Construction, Ltd. (Marcon), England.The following are the basic construction dimensions as listed in the builders sales brochure: L.O.A. 30', Water line. 24', Beam. 10', Draft. 4' 1", Full Keel, 2-1/2 tons ballast, Displacement. 6.3 tons, Thames Tonnage. 11, Designed sail area for the Ketch rig: Main/Mizzen/Genoa, 466 sq. ft. (43.1 sq. m.)., Designed sail area for the Sloop rig: Main/Genoa, 460 sq. ft. (42.6 sq. m.)."
I'll work these numbers in a while and post results here.
Guillermo.
March 15, 2008
From friend Dave Herndon:
First Eastern FOG Rendezvous
Where: Dymer Creek, Virginia (off the western Virginia shore of the Chesapeake Bay)
Latitude: 37º 40.8' N; Longitude: 076º 22.0' W
When: Friday, Saturday, and Sunday (June 27, 28, and 29)
Start your planning now and put these dates on your calendar
Details: Dave Herndon (Wayward Wind, F25) and Dick Seymann (Tantalus, F30) will host the first Eastern Fisher Owners Group (FOG) Rendezvous at the home pier of Dave Herndon in Dymer Creek (White Stone, VA) during the last weekend in June 08. The location is on Virginia's Historic Northern Neck (the peninsula surrounded by the Potomac River, the Chesapeake Bay, and the Rappahannock River). This location is, by water, approximately 40 nm north of Hampton Roads and 80 nm south of Annapolis. Dave has a very protected, deepwater (7') pier that can handle up to four Fishers (more with rafting off the end of the pier). Limited 20 amp and 30 amp pier connections are available. Dave's immediate neighbor's pier (100' to the north) can handle two additional Fishers (more with rafting off the end of the pier). For those who prefer anchoring, there is plenty of good anchorage in front of Dave's house and Dave's pier also has a low-level dinghy dock. The bottom line is that we can handle all the Fishers that desire to attend. Fisher owners who desire to arrive earlier or leave later (for logistics or weather reasons) are invited to keep their Fishers at Dave's pier for as long as they like. Local Navigation Information: Tidal Range 1.5 ft.; Tidal Current less than 0.7 knots; Chart Magnetic Variation 11°W.
Rendezvous Event Schedule (Tentative)
Friday June 27:
08:00-17:00 Fisher Arrivals and Boat Reviews/Photos
17:00 Cocktails on pier and/or at Dave's house
18:00 Pot luck dinner on pier (we can order food in if desired)
Saturday June 28:
08:00-13:00 Fisher Arrivals and Boat Reviews/Photos
12:00 Steamed Crab, Hamburger, Hot Dog Feast on pier and/or Dave's yard and screen porch
13:00 -16:00 Fisher Sailing Regatta and Photographs, Dymer Creek and Fleets Bay area
17:00 Cocktails on pier and/or Dave's house
18:00 Dinner out (restaurant TBD). Dave and Dick will provide auto transportation as needed
Sunday June 29
08:00 Breakfast on the Pier
09:00 Final Meeting and Photo ops
10:00 Leave for sail on Chesapeake Bay and to head back home
Directions for those arriving by water
From points south (Rappahannock River, etc.) to the entrance to Dymer Creek (off Fleets Bay)
From Windmill Point light (marking the north entrance cape of the Rappahannock River) to North Point Light N: Course 318T; 4.6 nm.
From North Point Light N to Dymer Creek Entrance Light 2: Course 277T; 0.9 nm, (From Dymer Creek 2 to Dave's Home see Dymer Creek Directions below)
From points north (Potomac River, etc.) to the entrance to Dymer Creek (off Fleets Bay)
From Smith Point Light (marking the south entrance cape of the Potomac River) to Bluff Point light B: Course 200T, 13.1 nm
From Bluff Point Light B to Dymer Creek Light 2: Course 240T; 2.3 nm. (From Dymer Creek 2 to Dave's Home see Dymer Creek Directions below)
From Dymer Creek 2 to Dave Herndon's Home (about 2.8 nm):
Follow the four entrance channel lights (2, 4, 6, and 7) into Dymer Creek. From Dymer Creek Light 7 it's about 2.0 nm to Dave's pier. Dymer Creek ranges from 20-7 feet deep all the way to Dave's pier.
From Dymer Creek Light 7 head northwest (approximate course 293T). Keep in the middle. About one nm in, keep the abandoned duck blind ruins with an osprey nest to your starboard side (the north side of the deep channel goes right up to the old duck blind ruins. A little further on you will see an osprey nest pole on the port side of the creek. Keep this nest pole to your port (the south side of the deep channel goes right up to this nest pole.)
When you approach the large white home straight ahead, there is about three quarters nm left to go. The creek bends to the right, then to the left, then to the right, and then back to the left. Just keep in the middle and well away from the points.
When you see directly in front of you (from left to right): a white boathouse, a large yellow ranch house, a two-story gray house with a white fence on the right, and a two story yellow house with a flag pole, you have arrived. Dave's house is the middle one (the two-story gray house). You will see Dave's Fisher 25, Wayward Wind (green hull, tanbark sails) on the north side of his pier.
Dave's geographical pier position is approximately: Latitude: 37º 40.8' N; Longitude: 076º 22.0' W
Directions for those arriving by land
Dave's home is located just off state route 3, half way between the villages of White Stone and Kilmarnock, VA. Dave's home is about 1.5 hours from Richmond Airport; 1.5 hours from Newport News-Williamsburg Airport; 2.5 hours from Norfolk Airport; 3.0 hours from Washington Reagan Airport; and 3.5 hours from Washington Dulles Airport. There is also a small general airport (Hummel Field - no commercial flights) in Topping, VA (10 minutes from Dave's home). There is no public transportation to this rural area. Individuals flying in will require a rental car. There are several lodging facilities (inexpensive to luxury) within 10 minutes of Dave's home (see below).
From Kilmarnock, VA
From the traffic light at the corner of Main Street and Irvington Road (the last traffic light heading east), go east on state route 3 (toward White Stone) for 2.2 miles to Long Lane Farm
Turn left onto Long Lane Farm (a paved private drive with large pecan trees on both sides) and go to the end of the lane (about 0.5 miles)
Dave Herndon's home is the last driveway on the left (see sign, Herndon, 469)
From White Stone, VA
From White Stone's one and only traffic light, go west on state route 3 (toward Kilmarnock) for 2.2 miles to Long Lane Farm
Turn right onto Long Lane Farm (a paved private drive with large pecan trees on both sides) and go to the end of the lane (about 0.5 miles)
Dave Herndon's home is the last driveway on the left (see sign, Herndon, 469)
Local Hotel, Motel, and B&B Lodgings (If you require local lodgings, make reservations early as during the boating season, these lodging are usually filled)
Back Inn Time (B&B), Kilmarnock, VA (804) 435-2318 (10 minutes from Dave's home. $$)
Flowering Fields B&B, Kilmarnock, VA (804) 435-6238 (just across the creek from Dave's pier; 5 minutes from Dave's by car or dinghy. $$$)
Holiday Inn Express, Kilmarnock, VA (804) 436-1500 (10 minutes from Dave's home. $$)
Hope and Glory Inn (B&B), Irvington, VA (804) 438-6053 (National award-winning B&B; 10 minutes from Dave's home. $$$)
Pilot House Inn (motel), Topping, VA (804) 758-2262 (10 minutes from Dave's home. $)
Tides Inn (Luxury Resort Hotel), Irvington, VA (804) 438-4433 (10 minutes from Dave's home. $$$$)
Whispering Pines Motel, White Stone, VA (804) 435-1101 (5 minutes from Dave's home. $)
Contact Information
Dave Herndon's Address and Contact Information: 469 Long Lane Farm, White Stone, VA 22578; Home Phone: (804) 435-2056; Cell Phone: (804) 761-0409; Email: dhherndon@aol.com
Dick Seymann's Address and Contact Information: 771 Townley Farm Road, White Stone, VA 22578; Home Phone: (804) 436-1214; Email: seymann@townleyfarm.net
Please let us know ASAP if you plan to attend
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Dec 22, 2007
Hello Guillermo!
Thanks for your collection of fine motorsailors.
I spend quite some time exploring the links :-)
However there is one design I like a lot which is still missing:
Cromarty 36
data at cromarty36.com
Nice compact ketch with interesting afterdeck / rear cabin solution.
Could you try to give some classification in your system?
My try did not work properly: (VH 9/38).
From my knowledge of sailboat comparisons there should be a square are cubic relation in some of the ratios...
with best regards,
Jan
Hello Jan!
Thanks a lot for the sending of info on the Cromarty 36!
I got a labeling of VH 15 / 17 for her, which indicates her to be within what I consider a nice motorsiler concept, although somewhat heavy by nowadays tendencies.
Down here you'll find some additional numbers for her.
All the best.
Guillermo.
INPUT:
Lh =
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11,00
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m
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Lwl =
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8,13
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m
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Bmax =
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3,66
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m
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Bwl =
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3,29
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m
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Draught T =
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1,41
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m
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Body draught Tc =
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0,73
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m (guess)
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Disp =
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8636
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kg
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Ballast =
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3048
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kg
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Sail area =
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64,11
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m2
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Mast height =
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14,67
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m
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Heeling Arm =
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6,43
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m (guess)
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Power =
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40,44
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KW
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OUTPUT
Length/Beam Ratio
|
|
(2Lwl + Lh)/3B =
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2,48
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Lwl/Bwl Ratio
|
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Lwl/Bwl =
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2,47
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Length/Draught Ratio
|
|
Lh/T =
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7,8
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Beam/Draught Ratio
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|
Bmax/T =
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2,6
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WL beam/Body draught
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|
Bwl/Tc =
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4,51
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Ballast/Disp Ratio
|
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W/Disp =
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0,35
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Displacement/Length Ratio
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D/L =
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448,25
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Sail Area/Disp. Ratio
|
|
SA/D =
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15,48
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Sail Area/Wetted surface
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SA/WS =
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2,14
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SA (metric)/ Power (Imp.)
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|
SA/HP =
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1,17
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Power/ Disp. Ratio
|
|
HP/D =
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2,89
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HP/ton
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Hull speed
|
|
HSPD =
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6,92
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Kn
|
Potential Maximum Speed
|
|
PMS =
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7,29
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Kn
|
Velocity Ratio
|
|
VR =
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1,05
|
|
Best motoring speed (1.1)
|
|
CSPD =
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5,68
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Kn
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Capsize Safety Factor
|
|
CSF =
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1,8
|
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Motion Comfort Ratio
|
|
MCR =
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36,14
|
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Moment of Inertia
|
|
I =
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820514,41
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Lb/ft2
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Roll Period
|
|
T =
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3,93
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Sec
|
Roll Acceleration
|
|
Acc =
|
0,06
|
G's
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Stability Index
|
|
SI =
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1,07
|
|
Angle of Vanishing Stability
|
|
AVS =
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122º
|
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Nov 24, 2007
E-mail information lost.
Yesterday I made an stupid mistake and lost all my inbox messages. As I had some unanswered ones, I ask the senders to forward such messages to me again.
I apologize for the inconveniences.
Fair winds to all of you!
Guillermo.
Oct 21, 2007
Doug & Anne S. sent this info and images on their boat "DRAKUS"
Boat Make Model: Ed Monk / Skookum Marine
Hull Length: 47'
Waterline Length: ?
Beam (Maximum): 13'2"
Beam WL: ?
Keel Draught: 6'8"
Body Draugth amidships: 6'4"
Displacement: ~22 tons
Ballast: ?
Sail Area: ?
Heeeling Arm: ?
Engines HP: 82
Comments: Have a couple of pages from Ed Monk Sr's plans. Ed Monk Jr. may have more in his old files. The boat may have come from lines of a wooden sailing boat by Ed Monk
(With this little info I cannot work out numers for DRAKO. I hope Doug and Anne are able to get and send me all necessary info.)
Oct 11, 2007
Hugh Geen sends a couple of links:
I am not an expert on this topic, but:
Regards,
I think the Saudade is not a motorsailer, but a nice looking classic sailing boat. On the other hand the Aurique seems to be rather a sail assisted motor boat.
Guillermo.
Sept 28, 2007
Ray Henry sends info on his boat, SEAWEED.
He did an extensive and outstanding complete boat refit.
Boat Make & Model: Nimble Kodiak Yawl
Hull Length: 26'6"
Waterline Length: 24'3"
Beam (Maximum): 8'6"
Total Draught: 2'10"
Body Draugth amidships: 12"
Displacement: 4000
Ballast:
Sail Area: 285
Engines HP: 18 SAE. Don't know DIN or SAE hp. Engine is a Yanmar 2GM20F.
Comments: Published mfgr. DISP numbers were notoriously underestimated.
Some estimated numbers for SEAWEED:
(4000 lb displacement, 1350 lb ballast)
Length/Beam Ratio
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L/B =
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2,93
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Lwl/Bwl Ratio
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Lwl/Bwl =
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3,16
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Ballast/Disp Ratio
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W/Disp =
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0,34
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Displacement/Length Ratio
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D/L =
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124,79
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Sail Area/Disp. Ratio
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SA/D =
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18,11
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Sail Area/Wetted surface
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SA/WS =
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1,9
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SA (metric)/ Power (Imp.)
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SA/HP =
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1,47
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Power/ Disp. Ratio
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HP/D =
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4,52
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HP/ton
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Hull speed
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HSPD =
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6,60
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Kn
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Potential Maximum Speed
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PMS =
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7,65
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Kn
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Velocity Ratio
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VR =
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1,16
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Best motoring speed (1.1)
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CSPD =
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5,42
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Kn
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Capsize Safety Factor
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CSF =
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2,15
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Motion Comfort Ratio
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MCR =
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14,14
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Heft Ratio
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HF =
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0,65
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Roll Period
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T =
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1,76
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Sec
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Roll Acceleration
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Acc =
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0,19
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G's
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Stability Index
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SI =
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0,68
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Angle of Vanishing Stability
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AVS =
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118
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º
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August 11, 2007
Hej
Fell over your site by accident, searching for info on an old motorsailer.
I have owned LM 24 & LM 27.
GREAT SITE WELL DONE!
Kind regards Tony Denmark
Thanks a lot for your kind words, Tony!
July 21, 2007
From A. Trometer
Boat's name: The Laughing Turtle
Boat Make Model: Schucker 436
Hull Length: 39' 6"
Waterline Length: 33'
Beam (Maximum): 14'
Total Draught: 3'" 2"
Body Draugth amidships: 2' 10"
Displacement: 22000 #s
Ballast: 6000 #s
Sail Area: 545 Sq Ft (Cutter)
Engines HP: 51 HP Perkins @4000 RPM
Comments: Can you calculate all your interesting numbers from this or do you need more info?
Dear August,
Here some numbers for you.
Cheers.
Length/Beam Ratio
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L/B =
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2,5
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Lwl/Bwl Ratio
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Lwl/Bwl =
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2,62
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Ballast/Disp Ratio
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W/Disp =
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0,27
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Displacement/Length Ratio
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D/L =
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273,28
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Sail Area/Disp. Ratio
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SA/D =
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11,18
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Sail Area/Wetted surface
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SA/WS =
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1,46
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SA (metric)/ Power (Imp.)
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SA/HP =
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1
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Power/ Disp. Ratio
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HP/D =
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2,32
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HP/ton
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Hull speed
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HSPD =
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7,70
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Kn
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Potential Maximum Speed
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PMS =
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7,25
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Kn
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Velocity Ratio
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VR =
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0,94
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Best motoring speed (S/V=1.1)
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BSPD =
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6,32
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Kn
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Capsize Safety Factor
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CSF =
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2
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Motion Comfort Ratio
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MCR =
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28,68
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Heft Ratio
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HF =
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0,89
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|
Righting Moment/Beam
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RMB =
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0,76
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Roll Period
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T =
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3,18
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Sec
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Roll Acceleration
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Acc =
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0,12
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G's
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Stability Index
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SI =
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0,74
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Angle of Vanishing Stability
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AVS =
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117
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º
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May 13, 2007
From Pierre Houin
Hi
here is Atoa 64 motorsailer by Morozov Yachts
bye
May 6, 2007
Here some estimated numbers for Joe's Cheoy Lee 63:
Length/Beam Ratio
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L/B =
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3,08
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Lwl/Bwl Ratio
|
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Lwl/Bwl =
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3,25
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Ballast/Disp Ratio
|
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W/Disp =
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0,3
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Displacement/Length Ratio
|
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D/L =
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276,74
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Sail Area/Disp. Ratio
|
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SA/D =
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11,00
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Sail Area/Wetted surface
|
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SA/WS =
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1,68
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SA (metric)/ Power (Imp.)
|
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SA/HP =
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0,32
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Power/ Disp. Ratio
|
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HP/D =
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4,26
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Hull speed
|
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HSPD =
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9,86
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Potential Maximum Speed (Sail)
|
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PMS =
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8,85
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Velocity Ratio
|
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VR =
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0,9
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Best motoring speed (1.1)
|
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CSPD =
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8,1
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Capsize Safety Factor
|
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CSF =
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1,6
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Motion Comfort Ratio
|
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MCR =
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54,43
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Heft Ratio
|
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HF =
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1,42
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Roll Period
|
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T =
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6,04
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Roll Acceleration
|
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Acc =
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0,05
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Stability Index
|
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SI =
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1,07
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April 22, 2007
From Joe Quinn (some days ago)
Boat Make Model: Cheoy Lee 63
Hull Length: 63' 4"
Waterline Length: 54' 2"
Beam (Maximum): 18' 6"
Total Draught: 6' 6"
Body Draugth amidships: ?
Displacement: 98,500lbs
Ballast: 30,000lbs
Sail Area: 1,466
Engines HP: 2 X 210hp
Comments: I'm not sure what you mean by "Body draught amidships" nor do I know whether the engine power is din or sae.
Thanks and best regards,
Joe
April 08, 2007
From Lyle Anderson
Comments: This is the official Schucker Motorsailor user group and web site.
March 31, 2007
From Mitchell Phillips, in Australia
Boat's name: No Name yet
Boat Make Model: Brewer Alaska
Hull Length: 43
Waterline Length: 38
Beam (Maximum): 4.0m
Total Draught: 5ft 6inches
Body Draugth amidships:
Displacement: 16tonnes
Ballast: 4.5 to 5 tonnes
Sail Area: 1043 ft
Engines HP: 67hp
It would be nice if you posted this as a link. I found your web site several years ago and found it was a good reference. Especially the way you have posted so many designs in one place with designers details etc. Extremely helpful. I also have a photo of a completed Alaska. I noticed you only have a drawing posted here. This was also an Australian boat which I looked at several months ago. The owners and their 3 kids had just completed a 3 year circumnavigation and had very positive reports on her crusing ability.
I'll email you the photo separately and keep up the good work with your web site.
Mitchell Phillips
Byron Bay
Australia
March 24, 2007
Dear friends,
Please let me introduce our range of motoryachts.
There are 2 Nomad 30 models we produce. One is a motorsailor with mast and sails with Lombardini 40 HP diesel
Second is the same boat but motoryacht version with 40 HP Lombardini diesel
Specifications:
Overall length
9.30 m
Beam
..3.20 m
Draft
.1.45 m
Displacement
.3.8 tons
Ballast
1.2 tons
Sail area
45 sqm Main sail (25 sqm) + Genoa (20 sqm)
CE type certificate B-C
We provide boats in following colours : deep green hull - pure white deck, oxford blue hull white deck, black hul ivory deck, burgundy hull ivory deck, navy grey hull pure white deck.
Boats are with or without deckhouse, with 2 or 3 cabins, accomodating up to 6 persons in style.
Regards,
Milos Suk (Turkey)
March 14, 2007
From Bill Thompson, looking for info on the Norsea 26
Name: Bill Thompson
Email: norsea26<at>aol<dot>com (Substitute <at> by "@" and <dot> by ".")
Boat's name: Halemai
Boat Make Model: Norsea 26 Pilothouse
Hull Length: 26ft
Waterline Length: 25
Beam (Maximum): 8
Total Draught: 4
Body Draugth amidships:
Displacement:
Ballast:
Sail Area:
Engines HP:
Comments: Trying to get more information. I haven't fround anyone else with this boat
If you can help, please e-mail Bill
March 01, 2007
From Jos van den Heuvel
Hello,
On your site there's a link under IP24 to an article of the designer of this boat.
This article is placed in the photodirtory of my site "IP24" which can be found under the following alias; http://boatex.wolweb.nl (although without www).
As my website is non commercial and pure as info for all owners and other interests it would be reat to refer to the homepage of the website.
I already get some traffic linked via your fine website during a long time and as far as I can see visitors edit the link in your site manually so they can get to the homepage.
In my website nearly all technical info about the IP can be found.
Enclosed a picture of "my IP24 named IJsvogel which is Dutch for Icebird.
For the good order,You're free by using the link and photo's for your use and publishing.
Awaiting your reply,
kind regards
Jos van den Heuvel
February 11, 2007
Some correspondence from Peter McGrath
Hi Guillermo,
Great site - a friend has just bought a Viksund 25 - small and quite old but a lovely looking vessel. I'll send pics as soon as we go for out first sail.
...............(.a couple of days later)...........
OK: the owner says - 'pictures: not until I've painted the hull'.
For a story about the owner and the buying of the boat:
Regards,
Peter McGrath
The HMS Beagle Project Celebrating Darwin Inspiring science Building evolution's inspiration.
February 10,2007
From Staffan Söderhäll, in Sweden
Hola Guillermo!
Exploring your nice motorsailing site, I have some difficulties to make data för my Nauticat 38 to fit in. It might be the conversion from metric to imperial measures that makes the difference but it doesn't seem to be the problem. I can se that your boat is about the sama siza as ours (or may be closer to the Nc36). For ex., if I divide the displacement w/ the water line length (27000 pounds/30,8 ft) the ratio comes to 877. In comparison, the ratio should ba abt half that figure. Where is the error?
Have you made any calculations for the Nc38? I include some metric data:
LOA 11,80 m
LWL 9,25 m
Displacement 12000 kg (water and fuel included). The displacement from the yard says 11000 kg but I dont knox if the tanks are full or empty.
Beam: 3,40 m
BWL: 3,20 m
Sail area 70 sqm
Mast heigth 14,7 m
Motor 120 hp (oversized but nice)
Fixed 3 blade propeller
If you have som excess time, it would be nice to hear from you. Included is a pic of "Miss Ellie" Nc38 #19 built in 1976 at the summer mooring place in our beautiful Stockholm archipelago.
Keep up the good work!
Best regards
/Staffan Söderhäll
Stockholm, Sweden
Dear Staffan,
sorry for the long delay in answering, but I had my home computer out of work for several weeks, and now I'm updating little by little my e-mails and other tasks.
Guessing Nauticat 38's ballast as a 35% of the 11000 kg displacement (probably either the 'lightship' condition or the CE's 'minimum operating condition' MOC),
here some estimated numbers I get for her:
Length/Beam Ratio
|
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L/B =
|
2,95
|
 |
L/B floatation
|
 |
Lfl/Bfl =
|
2,89
|
 |
Ballast/Disp Ratio
|
 |
W/Disp =
|
0,35
|
 |
Displacement/Length Ratio
|
 |
D/L =
|
387,66
|
 |
Sail Area/Disp. Ratio
|
 |
SA/D =
|
14,40
|
 |
Power/ Disp. Ratio
|
 |
HP/D =
|
4,95
|
HP/ton
|
Hull speed
|
 |
HSPD =
|
7,38
|
Kn
|
Velocity Ratio
|
 |
VR =
|
1,02
|
 |
Recomm. cruising speed (SL ratio =1.1)
|
 |
CSPD =
|
6,06
|
Kn
|
Capsize Safety Factor
|
 |
CSF =
|
1,54
|
 |
Motion Comfort Ratio
|
 |
MCR =
|
45,59
|
 |
Angle of Vanishing Stability
|
 |
AVS =
|
130
|
º
|
Roll Period
|
 |
T =
|
4,13
|
Sec
|
Roll Acceleration
|
 |
Acc =
|
0,05
|
G's
|
Stability Index
|
 |
SI =
|
1,21
|
 |
Initial Metacentric height
|
 |
GMo =
|
0,42
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