Marina 85

<body topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr> <td valign="top" height=90 BGCOLOR="#006699" TEXT="#080000" background="044fd5a3.jpg"> <bR> <div> <FONT SIZE="5" COLOR="#0000CC" FACE="Arial" ><B>Motorsailers & Motorsailing</B></FONT><B>    </B><B> |     </B><A HREF="index.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Motorsailers Motorsailing"><U><B>Home</B></U></A><B>  </B><B>  |</B><B>    </B><B>Back to Monohulls</B></div> <div> <B>Marina 85</B>   |   <A HREF="id30.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Tamar 24 "><U>Tamar 24 </U></A></div> <div> </div> </td> </tr><tr> <td valign="top" height=390 BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TEXT="#080000" background="04603043.jpg"> <div> <I>Marina 85</I></div> <bR> <div> <B>MARINA 85 Motorsailer,</B></div> <div> <B>Designer: Eskil Hardin</B></div> <div> <B>Boatyard: Hykamarina, Oy, Finnland. </B></div> <div> Info kindly provided by <B>Fred Wales</B></div> <bR> <DIV ALIGN="LEFT"></DIV> <div> <B>"Tupilak"</B></div> <div> <IMG SRC="1daf1c90.jpg" border=0 width="497" height="457" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> <div> <B>MARINA 85, Cutter rig, bowsprit.</B></div> <div> <B>Label: H  15/15</B></div> <bR> <div> .... Yes, this boat was designed by <A HREF="http://knut.wiren.fi/Marina75/Haldin/EskilH.html" TARGET="_top" TITLE="http://knut.wiren.fi/Marina75/Haldin/Esk"><U><B>Eskil Hardin </B></U></A>and built by Hykamarina, Oy in Finland. It is similar to the Marina 75 only it is 8.5 meters overall. I have been trying to </div> <div> find an official copy of the lines drawings to confirm the data that I have taken off by measurement. I do have a copy of the original specification sheet written in Finnish, if that will help you. </div> <bR> <div> Here are some quick details. </div> <bR> <DIV ALIGN="LEFT"></DIV> <div> <TABLE BORDER="2" CELLPADDING="2" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="549" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="BOX" RULES="ALL" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 ><NOBR><div> Length overall stern to bowsprit</div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="252"><div> 30 feet, 10 inches</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="278"><div> Length on deck</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="252"><div> 28 feet, 4 inches</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="278"><div> Load waterline</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="252"><div> 24 feet, 1 inch</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="278"><div> Maximum beam</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="252"><div> 10 feet, 1.5 inches</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="278"><div> Draft aft (max)</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="252"><div> 4 feet, 10 inches</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 ><NOBR><div> Sail area with 100% jib and staysail</div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="252"><div> 417 sq ft</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="278"><div> Cruising displacement</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="252"><div> 11,185 pounds</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="278"><div> Engine </div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="252"><div> Volvo Penta 2003 </div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="278"><div> Continuous power, rpm</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="252"><div> 28 HP at 3,300 rpm</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="278"><div> Transmission</div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP WIDTH="252"><div> Vee Drive</div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 19 WIDTH="278"><div> Propeller </div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP><NOBR><div>  Three bladed, 16 inch by 13 inch</div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> Sail area needs some discussion. The total working sail area of the cutter rig is 575 square feet. Mainsail is 196, staysail is 85 and genoa is 294. You asked for sail area using 100% of the jib, and that would work out to a total of 467 square feet with the staysail included. The total area using only 100% of the foretriangle would be 416 </div> <div> square feet. I will let you decide which number best compares to the other data you have posted. </div> <bR> <div> The maximum beam at the designed waterline is 8 feet 9 inches. I do have the lines drawings put into a CAD program created from the data that I measured in the boat yard two years ago. </div> <bR> <div> The engine is a 28 HP 3 cylinder Volvo Penta model 2003 which develops this horsepower at a continuous RPM of 3300. The engine is only capable of 2100 rpm with the installed propeller which allows a maximum of 6 knots. Thus, I am only putting about 13 HP to work at achieving that maximum speed. The engine need not be as large as it is. I do have plenty of reserve power in the lower speeds with such a large propeller, so that the boat handles almost like a tugboat. We normally have the engine turning over slowly supplementing the drive of the sails when making a passage. When the wind gets too low to keep sails filled, we furl the sails completely to preserve them. With such a large genoa jib, we reef it to get a little closer to the wind when beating letting the engine make up the difference in thrust. Off the wind it is usually easier to furl the main and staysail and just drive her with the genoa. Speed is not lost, as the jib is not covered by the mainsail.</div> <bR> <div> (May 2006 note: Fred changed propeller pitch from 13" to 11" as well as substituted the faulty engine's fuel lifting pump, so now Tupilak easily reaches her hull speeed of 6.5 kn at 2,550 rpm.)</div> <bR> <div> The pilot house is lower than most of the other motorsailers allowing a good view over the top when seated on cushions in the cockpit. There is adequate sitting headroom at the helmsman's seat inside with a proper view ahead. This is one of the features that sold me on this boat, as most of the operations are conducted from the open cockpit.</div> <bR> <div> I have often compared this boat to other motor sailers and have concluded that she is more sailboat than motorboat, but it will be interesting to see how your number ratings work out. I can sail without the engine in all conditions whether light winds or heavy winds, but generally fill in with the engine to get the equivalent speed of a normal sailboat when we need to get somewhere. I lose a lot of speed with the propeller trailing, as it is so large. Just turning the prop at minimum rpm gives us an extra 1.5 knots. </div> <bR> <div> I attach two sheets of the original brochure in Finnish showing the boat in its sloop rigged northern European configuration. I understand the cutter rig was designed specifically for the lower winds of the east coast of the USA when the importer introduced this boat to the market in 1986. If you need any other data just ask. </div> <bR> <div> Thank you for all your efforts to collect and post such important data. Your attention to the detail is what makes it so valuable. </div> <bR> <div> Regards,</div> <bR> <div> Fred Wales</div> <bR> <DIV ALIGN="LEFT"></DIV> <div> <B>ORIGINAL FINNISH BROCHURE</B></div> <div> <IMG SRC="1d8770d0.jpg" border=0 width="375" height="525" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"><IMG SRC="1d9750f0.png" border=0 width="373" height="527" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> <bR> <div> <B>MARINA 85 basic parameters:</B></div> <bR> <div> <B> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="646" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="VOID" RULES="NONE" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="120"><div> <B>Sail/Disp</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="345"><div> <B>SA/D = SA / (Disp / 64)2/3</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="1"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="14"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="14" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="0"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM><NOBR><div> <B>14,94  (Cutter rig)</B></div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="120"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="120" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="345"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="345" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="1"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="14"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="14" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="0"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="147"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="147" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="120"><div> <B>Capsize</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="345"><div> <B>CSF = Beam / (Disp/64.2)1/3</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="1"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="14"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="14" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="0"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="147"><div> <B>1,81</B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="120"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="120" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="345"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="345" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="1"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="14"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="14" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="0"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="147"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="147" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="120"><div> <B>Hull speed</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="345"><div> <B>HSPD = SQRT(LWL) * 1.34</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="1"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="14"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="14" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="0"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="147"><div> <B>6,58</B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="120"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="120" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="345"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="345" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="1"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="14"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="14" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="0"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="147"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="147" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM HEIGHT= 20 ><NOBR><div> <B>Disp/Length</B></div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="345"><div> <B>D/L = (Disp / 2240) / (0.01*LWL)3</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="1"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="14"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="14" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="0"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="147"><div> <B>357,62</B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="120"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="120" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="345"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="345" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="1"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="14"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="14" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="0"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="147"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="147" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="120"><div> <B>Comfort</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM><NOBR><div> <B>MCR = DISP / (.65*BEAM4/3(.7*LWL+.3*LOA))</B></div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="1"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="14"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="14" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="0"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="147"><div> <B>30,96</B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="120"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="120" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="345"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="345" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="1"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="14"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="14" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="0"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="147"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="147" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="120"><div> <B>Power/Disp</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="345"><div> <B>HP/D = 6 * HP * 1000 / DISP</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="1"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="14"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="14" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="0"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="147"><div> <B>15,02</B></div> </tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="120"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="120" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="345"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="345" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="1"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="14"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="14" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="0"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="147"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="147" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> </tR> <tR> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM HEIGHT= 20 WIDTH="120"><div> <B>SA/HP</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="345"><div> <B>SA/D Ratio / HP/D Ratio</B></div> </tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="1"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="1" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="14"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="14" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="0"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="1x1.gif" HEIGHT="20" ALIGN="bottom" WIDTH="0" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></tD> <tD VALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH="147"><div> <B>0,99</B></div> </tD> </tR> </TABLE></B></div> <bR> <bR> <bR> </td> </tr></table></body>